I bought this 2000 suzuki bandit from a private seller. The ad description said that it had been fully synced and the carbs were recently cleaned.. It was alse suposedly looked at by a well known shop. The owner also said that this bike had been sitting for about 3 and a half years. This bike only has 4000 miles and it ran great for the first month.. now it only stays on when tha choke is on, and the knob that regulates the idle doesnt do anything when turned. What could be the problem?|||Probably has a clogged passagway in the carbs or an airleak into the carbs, (it runs WITH THE CHOKE, right) Probably he spent a bunch of money on the carbs and didn't clean the fuel sytem, or the previous mechanic was inept.
So, try this, pt about a gallon of fresh gas into your tank. Go to the Autoparts store, buy 2 cans of sea foam, open the first one up and pour it into the tank. Ride it back home, let it sit, and soak your carbs, then ride it around the block fiully warmed up, and if it's not right, park it again, over night, repeat as necessary.
IT should clean the tank and carbs sparkling clean, in a couple of days, IF the problem was it sat with bad gas. If the Problem was actually rust/debris in the jets this will not clean it up. If so, and its not clean by day four, Give UP and take it to the dealer, and have their man tear into the carbs. If it DOES work, it will be remarkable how well it runs and how well it saves you a great sum of money.
The second can? I imagine I hear you say.
Treat your own gas, fill the tank up and pour an ounce or two of Sea Foam into the tank, and you can park it for a year with no repercussions.
Or just pour the second can in...
If the sea foam does a good job a year is all a fuel stabilizer is good for, it may not make it any better with twice as much, but it MIGHT.
and you have a full can, anyway...|||Probably, the carbs are scaled up with plaque from sitting plus a tune up. You will have to remover the carbs and take then in for a proper cleaning (including disassemble). Plus its ready for a tune up. The bike sounds worth it though.
Saturday, December 24, 2011
SUzuki Bandit 600 Smoking at high revs?
Hi,
I have a 2000 model bandit 600 that is smoking when i ride it up the road quite a bit!
Firstly last winter i left the fuel tap to the 'prime' position which flooded the carbs and air filter eventually circulating through the gearbox after i had figured this out i cleaned it all and replaced the oil/filter and air filter as well as removed the carbs and cleaned them.
It now runs better but when i took it down the road for a test run it smoked out the road behind me and also the clutch was slipping at high revs.
The bike doesn't smoke on start up so i am wondering where this smoke is coming from and if it is likely to dissappear if i ride it further - when i noticed it smoking after about 500 yds i turned around and went home.
Cheers|||There are allot of places for gas fumes to accumulate in a dual over head cam design. I suspect you have still got gas in your oil.
You could simply ride it, the gas will eventually be absorbed by the oil and / or tossed out the PVC into the filter and be burned.
But this is not ideal.
Ideally, you will strip the motor, blueprint it, and put it back together again.
But at least you'll change the oil and treat it with an additive resistant to gas wash out, after a short warm up ride (treat it twice once now once after), so-as not to wash the oil out of your valve guides and ruin your top end. Then you will repeat this, and again, as long as it smokes.
~ Or ~ you will wring the filter out better and carefully reassemble if you have a foam air filter and you over lubed it and the engine is thus sucking in oil at high RPMs because it's drawing more air and this is causing the smoke.|||check the engine oil and the transmission oil after riding and see if it smells like gas still. Change it if there is even a whiff of gas. so far what I think as far as the smoke is that the gas washed down everything and your rings have not seated in yet with the fresh oil. Driving the bike will help seat the rings. I dont know what is up with the clutch, Skip the high revs for now and just take a liesurely cruise and see how the bike runs after breaking in the oil. Im hoping you are using recommended oil for your motorcycle and not a synthetic brand (unless recommended.|||What color is the smoke? Blue? Black? Does it linger?
I have a 2000 model bandit 600 that is smoking when i ride it up the road quite a bit!
Firstly last winter i left the fuel tap to the 'prime' position which flooded the carbs and air filter eventually circulating through the gearbox after i had figured this out i cleaned it all and replaced the oil/filter and air filter as well as removed the carbs and cleaned them.
It now runs better but when i took it down the road for a test run it smoked out the road behind me and also the clutch was slipping at high revs.
The bike doesn't smoke on start up so i am wondering where this smoke is coming from and if it is likely to dissappear if i ride it further - when i noticed it smoking after about 500 yds i turned around and went home.
Cheers|||There are allot of places for gas fumes to accumulate in a dual over head cam design. I suspect you have still got gas in your oil.
You could simply ride it, the gas will eventually be absorbed by the oil and / or tossed out the PVC into the filter and be burned.
But this is not ideal.
Ideally, you will strip the motor, blueprint it, and put it back together again.
But at least you'll change the oil and treat it with an additive resistant to gas wash out, after a short warm up ride (treat it twice once now once after), so-as not to wash the oil out of your valve guides and ruin your top end. Then you will repeat this, and again, as long as it smokes.
~ Or ~ you will wring the filter out better and carefully reassemble if you have a foam air filter and you over lubed it and the engine is thus sucking in oil at high RPMs because it's drawing more air and this is causing the smoke.|||check the engine oil and the transmission oil after riding and see if it smells like gas still. Change it if there is even a whiff of gas. so far what I think as far as the smoke is that the gas washed down everything and your rings have not seated in yet with the fresh oil. Driving the bike will help seat the rings. I dont know what is up with the clutch, Skip the high revs for now and just take a liesurely cruise and see how the bike runs after breaking in the oil. Im hoping you are using recommended oil for your motorcycle and not a synthetic brand (unless recommended.|||What color is the smoke? Blue? Black? Does it linger?
Advice on first time bike buying?
Ive been surfing all over the net doing research on buying my first bike and at first I was dead set on 125cc-250cc range but since having seen them and having a spin on a 200cc I'm very sure the 400cc class is for me, its got power to do some nice speed but is still nicely below the powerhouses of 600cc. Since I'm a student I have a some what limited budget and have looked at the Suzuki Bandit GSF400 and the Honda CB400. The Bandit as far as I can tell isn't being made in 400cc anymore and hasn't been for a long while hence all the deals I can find are 90's versions of the bike but fortunately this means they are quite cheap to buy. The Honda from what Ive seen is still being manufactured to this day but the new ones are way way out of my budget so maybe an early 2000's model would be best. My question is, is buying a potentially 13-17 year old bike a good idea mechanically? Are there any people who can vouch for the two mentioned models of bike? And if there are, can you tell me of any other bikes that have that same general look, the naked frame etc, that will be affordable and all in all a good choice? Any other first time buying advice would be greatly appreciated.|||You're very clearly not in the USA... might want to mention which country to gather more answers from people in your own country (on other models).
But, I have experience with both a '91 Bandit 400 (GSF) and an '89 Honda CB400f (CB-1). The Bandit has some funky weirdness when it comes to the carbs, tons of little plugs and o-rings that wear out over time and tend to need to be replaced before the bike will run well. Those cost me ~$80 for the parts and I did the work myself. They will also kill the CDI unit... no definitive reason as to why, but my educated guess is that it's due to older batteries and sub-par charging systems.
The Honda's you're looking at are more than likely Vastly different from the models we have in the US. They made more HP, were more robust and ironically they are more rare.
Both were bulletproof when it came to the engines and highly capable sporting machines. If you're looking for that kind of package, perhaps you have access to the Ducati Monster 400? I really don't know what other naked 400 bikes are out there as they vanished from the US in 1991.
Good luck.|||My bike is from '98 and still in good technical shape. Street bikes are only having problems with engines mileage. There can be little corrosion here and there but nothing serious.
I own Honda and I can tell it's very reliable.|||target.walmart.|||go talk to a few motorcycle shops about reliability, repair costs and availability of parts.
But, I have experience with both a '91 Bandit 400 (GSF) and an '89 Honda CB400f (CB-1). The Bandit has some funky weirdness when it comes to the carbs, tons of little plugs and o-rings that wear out over time and tend to need to be replaced before the bike will run well. Those cost me ~$80 for the parts and I did the work myself. They will also kill the CDI unit... no definitive reason as to why, but my educated guess is that it's due to older batteries and sub-par charging systems.
The Honda's you're looking at are more than likely Vastly different from the models we have in the US. They made more HP, were more robust and ironically they are more rare.
Both were bulletproof when it came to the engines and highly capable sporting machines. If you're looking for that kind of package, perhaps you have access to the Ducati Monster 400? I really don't know what other naked 400 bikes are out there as they vanished from the US in 1991.
Good luck.|||My bike is from '98 and still in good technical shape. Street bikes are only having problems with engines mileage. There can be little corrosion here and there but nothing serious.
I own Honda and I can tell it's very reliable.|||target.walmart.|||go talk to a few motorcycle shops about reliability, repair costs and availability of parts.
My 99' Suzuki Bandit 600 will not start!!!?
Hi All,
my Bandit 600 has been giving me problems,first the cold weather killed the battery,I charged it up and put it back on,the bike tried to turn over but couldn't and eventually killed the battery. I recharged it and checked the plugs, put it back on and tried again. After about 10 seconds there was a click and then it just clicked only. I then connected the bike to my car,and with it running tried again, it tried to start up again so Im guessing that the battery is knackered,anyway,I kept on trying and it almost fired up but then it clicked out again!
Now it only clicks,I pulled off the cover of the starter motor cable and the lead was really hot. Is my starter motor broken? Hope someone can help me!! Thank you!|||Hi,
I would say that your bike battery is dead,
your cable and electrics will get hot jumping your bike of your car as it will be a different amperage supply to your bike and the starter will get hot and constant winding or repeated starting will get the cables hot too.
if your battery has a dead cell it may affect the voltage during the jump starting of your bike even with it connected to your car.
It is hard to condemn your starter motor but when you jumped it did it turn over as quick as it usually does.
with the jump connected did it fire up and run or was it still a non starter.
sometimes with with a dead batt it will affect the start coz all the power is being drain for that and the ecu and ignition gets a lower voltage delivery.
I would check all the connection from the battery to the starter and the ignition side as well as the switched side of the starter control.
Perhaps even remove the starter from the bike and see if connected to a good battery it will spin free and fast without any load,
try jump starting it without the old bike battery connected to see if it is dead and affects the voltage.
If your road has no snow, which isn't very likely try and bump the bike as this will allow all the voltage generated by the alternator to be used by the ignition only and not trying to power the starter motor.
Let us know how you get on.|||Hey, im having similar trouble as you at the moment (i have a bandit 600 too) What colour is your spark? Im getting an orange coloured spark and i think my battery is dying quick aswell. I think your starter motor will be fine, ive tried my for ages to get started but no joy :(|||You need a new battery, you should never run your starter longer than a few seconds at a time if it dosent start then something is wrong.|||You are trying to hard just buy a new battery! The longer you crank the hotter the wiring will get.|||Your battery is toast.|||try throwing it in a pond or off a cliff, OR in a scrapyard
my Bandit 600 has been giving me problems,first the cold weather killed the battery,I charged it up and put it back on,the bike tried to turn over but couldn't and eventually killed the battery. I recharged it and checked the plugs, put it back on and tried again. After about 10 seconds there was a click and then it just clicked only. I then connected the bike to my car,and with it running tried again, it tried to start up again so Im guessing that the battery is knackered,anyway,I kept on trying and it almost fired up but then it clicked out again!
Now it only clicks,I pulled off the cover of the starter motor cable and the lead was really hot. Is my starter motor broken? Hope someone can help me!! Thank you!|||Hi,
I would say that your bike battery is dead,
your cable and electrics will get hot jumping your bike of your car as it will be a different amperage supply to your bike and the starter will get hot and constant winding or repeated starting will get the cables hot too.
if your battery has a dead cell it may affect the voltage during the jump starting of your bike even with it connected to your car.
It is hard to condemn your starter motor but when you jumped it did it turn over as quick as it usually does.
with the jump connected did it fire up and run or was it still a non starter.
sometimes with with a dead batt it will affect the start coz all the power is being drain for that and the ecu and ignition gets a lower voltage delivery.
I would check all the connection from the battery to the starter and the ignition side as well as the switched side of the starter control.
Perhaps even remove the starter from the bike and see if connected to a good battery it will spin free and fast without any load,
try jump starting it without the old bike battery connected to see if it is dead and affects the voltage.
If your road has no snow, which isn't very likely try and bump the bike as this will allow all the voltage generated by the alternator to be used by the ignition only and not trying to power the starter motor.
Let us know how you get on.|||Hey, im having similar trouble as you at the moment (i have a bandit 600 too) What colour is your spark? Im getting an orange coloured spark and i think my battery is dying quick aswell. I think your starter motor will be fine, ive tried my for ages to get started but no joy :(|||You need a new battery, you should never run your starter longer than a few seconds at a time if it dosent start then something is wrong.|||You are trying to hard just buy a new battery! The longer you crank the hotter the wiring will get.|||Your battery is toast.|||try throwing it in a pond or off a cliff, OR in a scrapyard
Bandit 400 help electrical questions?
so i just picked up this bandit 400 for my girlfriend and its having an electrical problem, with the battery sitting on the bench by it self it has a good charge, then when i put the leads from the bike on the charge drops to almost nothing on the dc10 setting, when i turn the ignition key to off most of the charge is restored, minus about 15% of the original charge. any ideas, could it be just a random short in a ground or could it be the ignition switch , could the ignition switch be telling the solioid to fire. help please!!!!
thanks
Richard|||Take the battery to be tested for a dead cell, that can easily explain all your symptoms. Most places do it free. There is no point in going further until you do that first.
Bear in mind that your voltmeter only reflects the voltage, not the charge, or the internal condition of the battery.
thanks
Richard|||Take the battery to be tested for a dead cell, that can easily explain all your symptoms. Most places do it free. There is no point in going further until you do that first.
Bear in mind that your voltmeter only reflects the voltage, not the charge, or the internal condition of the battery.
Would you buy a new Suzuki knowing this?
My brother and I bought 2 new bikes for a summer vacation. His 1200 Bandit leaked gas and ruined the motor before it got 2000 miles. We asked Suzuki to replace the motor so we could go on vacation. They said it鈥檚 to expensive and would cost $3000. After 4 months and the vacation gone they got the motor rebuilt at a their cost of $3700. The dealer wanted to replace the motor but Suzuki squashed that. The gas stained cases and burnt exhaust pipes were not replaced. The bike got nicked and scratched all over from being apart for so long. The rep rode it and looked at it, then said it鈥?good as new. It ran like crap and looked worse. We called Japan for nothing, and even wrote the US CEO all for nothing. We spent $15,000 for the bikes to get Fd. We spent our vacation hassling with Suzuki, and not one person there gave a F! Beware Suzuki鈥檚 warranty is not worth the paper it鈥檚 printed on! Buy one of their lemons and get Fd like we did!|||AMEN brother! They only have to carry you a year on warranty and come up with all sort of b.s. excuses that you did it, not the manufacturer.|||Get a life and move on..u will feel a lot better for it..
|||This is the second time I've seen this exact same rant posted on Yahoo Answers. I've already explained to you that the manufacturer DID NOT screw up your bike... YOUR LOCAL DEALER DID! If your local dealer's mechanic was reasonably competent, you wouldn't have any of the problems you are whining about.
Suzuki of America DID honor their warranty by authorizing your local dealer to rebuild or repair your motor. The fact is that the local dealer's mechanic messed up the job, NOT SUZUKI OF AMERICA.
If you wanted satisfaction, you could have taken the local dealer to court, but since you've already sold the bikes, you can't even do that now, so piss off and stop whining!|||WE REALLY GOT THE PICTURE...this is the 20th time you posted this?????|||I've owned mnay bike sover the years, the last one being a new Suzuki 400. My dealer was great, and promptly fixed a small oil leak that my bike came with. Overall, I htink your experience is not common, though obviously it was a bad one.
I prefer Hondas.|||Screw you, i will continue to race and ride Suzuki's due to their factory sponsorship and racing pedigree. You cant even begin to understand how wrong you are about service and support for one of the finest manufacturers out there.|||Neither mine nor my brother's Suzuki ever had any kind of problem.|||I agree with everyone else... Enough already.
I've worked with Suzuki in the past and found their warranties are as good as anyone else's, and in my situations they have covered things that were obviously due to bonehead owners and not manufacturing issues, which is after all, the only thing that any warranty from any manufacturer on any product covers.
Not once have I ever seen any manufacturer throw a new engine, or machine at any problem. They always fix the original machine using as many of the original parts as possible. Your issue with scratching is between you and whoever repaired it, not the factory. Your issue with the gas staining is between you and whoever allowed the gas to freely flow there and sit long enough to stain, not the factory.
If you honestly think that you were wronged then get a lawyer and take Suzuki to court. But going by just what you have written I'd be sure I had the attorney fees covered before I went to court.|||I'll have to agree with most of the rest of the responders to this question...I have a Suzuki, and I put 10 to 15k a year on it, and no problems. While it does have a different engine than yours, I've never had any problems dealing with Suzuki...sorry to hear of the bad experience.|||I still think you did something wrong as there were no problems for almost 2,000 miles. You ran it on prime position and filled crankcase with gas which trashed motor. I dont work for Suzuki but I have worked on them in the past (1981to 1989)and know this can be a problem when people forget to switch back to reserve or normal ON poition then leave bike sitting for couple of days/weeks (it doesnt happen overnight)
If your going to keep telling this story, at least tell the ENTIRE story, if its something YOU did they didnt have to do any warranty work at all. I dont think any other of the hundreds of thousands of GSX-R/GSX-F or GSF motors made in last 21 yrs have had the same problem or it would be much better known. Suzuki have used the same type of fuel tap since at least 1977 on the GS750
Basically, I like everyone else am tired of hearing the same half of a tale
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|||This is the second time I've seen this exact same rant posted on Yahoo Answers. I've already explained to you that the manufacturer DID NOT screw up your bike... YOUR LOCAL DEALER DID! If your local dealer's mechanic was reasonably competent, you wouldn't have any of the problems you are whining about.
Suzuki of America DID honor their warranty by authorizing your local dealer to rebuild or repair your motor. The fact is that the local dealer's mechanic messed up the job, NOT SUZUKI OF AMERICA.
If you wanted satisfaction, you could have taken the local dealer to court, but since you've already sold the bikes, you can't even do that now, so piss off and stop whining!|||WE REALLY GOT THE PICTURE...this is the 20th time you posted this?????|||I've owned mnay bike sover the years, the last one being a new Suzuki 400. My dealer was great, and promptly fixed a small oil leak that my bike came with. Overall, I htink your experience is not common, though obviously it was a bad one.
I prefer Hondas.|||Screw you, i will continue to race and ride Suzuki's due to their factory sponsorship and racing pedigree. You cant even begin to understand how wrong you are about service and support for one of the finest manufacturers out there.|||Neither mine nor my brother's Suzuki ever had any kind of problem.|||I agree with everyone else... Enough already.
I've worked with Suzuki in the past and found their warranties are as good as anyone else's, and in my situations they have covered things that were obviously due to bonehead owners and not manufacturing issues, which is after all, the only thing that any warranty from any manufacturer on any product covers.
Not once have I ever seen any manufacturer throw a new engine, or machine at any problem. They always fix the original machine using as many of the original parts as possible. Your issue with scratching is between you and whoever repaired it, not the factory. Your issue with the gas staining is between you and whoever allowed the gas to freely flow there and sit long enough to stain, not the factory.
If you honestly think that you were wronged then get a lawyer and take Suzuki to court. But going by just what you have written I'd be sure I had the attorney fees covered before I went to court.|||I'll have to agree with most of the rest of the responders to this question...I have a Suzuki, and I put 10 to 15k a year on it, and no problems. While it does have a different engine than yours, I've never had any problems dealing with Suzuki...sorry to hear of the bad experience.|||I still think you did something wrong as there were no problems for almost 2,000 miles. You ran it on prime position and filled crankcase with gas which trashed motor. I dont work for Suzuki but I have worked on them in the past (1981to 1989)and know this can be a problem when people forget to switch back to reserve or normal ON poition then leave bike sitting for couple of days/weeks (it doesnt happen overnight)
If your going to keep telling this story, at least tell the ENTIRE story, if its something YOU did they didnt have to do any warranty work at all. I dont think any other of the hundreds of thousands of GSX-R/GSX-F or GSF motors made in last 21 yrs have had the same problem or it would be much better known. Suzuki have used the same type of fuel tap since at least 1977 on the GS750
Basically, I like everyone else am tired of hearing the same half of a tale
Bandit 600 wont start without choke and backfires when started, any ideas?
Just bought bandit 600 from someone who had it left for 1 year and now i have put fresh petrol in and it wont start without choke even when hot, occasionaly backfires and will not do more than 70mph, all sparks work and have cleaned out all main jets but one spark plug seems a lot blacker than all rest and sounds like its only running on 3 cylinders. throttle is not responsive, either on or off, contantly stalls at junctions, surely if it the idle jet blocked then it would still run well when you open it up but this is not the case, please help as this is my first big bike and not going well so far.|||The carb is gummed up and the jets are clogged from sitting so long. No help for it but taking the carb apart and cleaning it.|||take the carbs apart %26amp; clean them . next year put Sea Foam in the gas %26amp; run it for 10 min . it will start in the spring %26amp; run great
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